Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle

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What does this phrase mean: Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle. It means a lot of things to a lot of people. I’ve received countless comments, links to posts and videos, and seen images, opinions—angry, happy, ambivalent, et cetera—about the concept. What I want to do in this video is clarify exactly what Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle means to me.

For starters, let’s examine the word “princess.” Traditionally, the word “princess” refers to a woman who marries into nobility, by marrying a prince. It did not originally refer to the daughter of a king or queen, but over time, it eventually came to have that meaning as well, and is probably better understood that way in modern pop culture.

When you think “princess,” you most likely think of Disney movies and fairy tales. You might think of traditional femininity. The idea of the princess who has to be rescued by her prince, is one of the most fought-against images of feminism. Princesses are a contentious concept. They simultaneously remain a great icon of femininity, and the most hated misrepresentation of what femininity is.

When Lauren Faust conceptualized My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, she did not want there to be princesses. In her original concept, the land was ruled over by a Queen, namely Queen Celestia. However, Faust was forced to change Celestia’s title to Princess because of the notion that in pop culture, Queens have a tendency to be evil, whereas princesses are traditionally the heroine.

We can consider this to be a loss. Yes, it would have been meaningful for Celestia to not be a princess just on the basis that “princess” was an easier sell to little girls. It’s sad to think about, but it’s the kind of casualty that is bound to happen when a show is fighting on the front lines of a social battle.

But the loss here was SOLELY over the word, “Princess.” Celestia is still the single most powerful figure in all of Equestria. In fact, every single ruler of Equestria is a woman. In a reversal of the traditional meaning of Prince vs. Princess, Prince Shining Armor actually married into his title by marrying Princess Cadence.

In Equestria, the word “princess,” DOES NOT mean, a girl who married into the royal family. It means, “the highest power in the entire kingdom.”

And as a matter of fact, becoming a princess in Equestria isn’t even the same as becoming queen in our world. A queen is ordinarily born into her position, and then trained to fulfill her role. In Equestria, princesses are trained to fill their role, and then become a princess once they’re earned their title.

It is not clear what would happen if a male did the same thing in Equestria. We have seen two princes in the series. Shining Armor, while named a prince by way of marriage to Princess Cadence, could still be said to have earned his princehood. Prince Blueblood most likely did not earn this title, leading to the speculation that he was either married or born into it at some point.

However, we know that Princess Celestia at one point tried to train a male unicorn to become the new ruler of Equestria, in the form of Starswirl the Bearded. It is unknown if he would have been a prince, king, or, hell, a princess, but it is most likely that he would have become an alicorn, and a ruler of Equestria, had he passed his trials.

Twilight Sparkle became a princess because Princess Celestia guided her on the course to becoming one. She determined that Twilight’s way of life was one that would coincide with the nature of being a princess. This would relate to the element of magic, which is synonymous with friendship.

Starswirl the Bearded tried to master magic, but because he never recognized friendship as the most powerful magic that there is, he was never able to become an alicorn ruler. Twilight Sparkle discovered friendship, the most powerful magic, and was able to become a ruler.

What, exactly, has Twilight Sparkle’s ambition been throughout the show? Twilight has always been interested in exploring the concepts of magic, and exploring her relationship with her friends, which, because friendship is magic, is the same thing as exploring the concept of magic. Magic is her element, magic is her being.

I am going to posit, though it has not YET been explicitly stated, that an alicorn princess is the most magical being in existence. Twilight has always seen Princess Celestia as the highest authority on magic, and the magical powers of Celestia and Luna have appeared to have the greatest consequence on the world. Twilight has been touted as one of the best magic users in Equestria after doing things like teleport blinks, gravity spells, and very brief time travel. Celestia and Luna move Celestial bodies and walk through ponies’ dreams. Princess Cadence was able to trump a villain that Celestia couldn’t handle, and was the vessel for the power that would banish King Sombra.

The most powerful magic that Twilight has been a part of is the magic unleashed by the elements of harmony, which is fueled by the power of friendship, and channeled through Twilight. Each time that Twilight accesses this power, she goes into a mysterious “god mode,” which she goes into one last time in Magical Mystery Cure before transforming into an alicorn.

The elements of harmony were activated each time through friendship, and channeling of its magic. The first time it activated was simply on the first occasion that Twilight and her friends became connected, even before they had ever become friends, signaling their eventual destiny. The second time was when Twilight first realized what friendship is. The third time was when she remembered again how important friendship is. And the fourth time was when she proved to have an understanding of friendship so great, that she didn’t. need. to. learn. anything.

At this point, Twilight had fully grasped the nature of friendship, unlocked the full potential of its magical power, and transcended the need to be reminded or learn about it any further. She had mastered the most powerful magic that exists, and this led her to transcend her unicorn body.

Why did this happen? The answers are not entirely clear. However, again, it is clear that alicorns possess the most powerful magic that there is. Ostensibly, what separates an alicorn from a unicorn is only a set of wings, yet somehow alicorns clearly have more power than any unicorn, suggesting that something about the alicorn form inherently allows for greater magical power. Maybe this will be explored in season four. Only time will tell.

What is clear is this—to reach this form, Twilight had to exhibit this understanding of magic, and from the events in Magical Mystery Cure, we can infer that this understanding qualified her as a princess of Equestria. We don’t yet know if this is the only thing that can qualify someone as a princess. We might surmise that Princess Cadence is a princess because of her understanding of love, rather than friendship. Whatever the case may be, it is clear that Princess Celestia guided Twilight Sparkle’s learning to achieve this understanding and become an alicorn princess.

In retrospect, the idea that Twilight would become Celestia’s successor is kind of obvious. Right from the very beginning, Twilight’s element of harmony takes the form of a tiara just like the one that Princess Celestia wears, even though all of Twilight’s friends receive necklaces. Twilight is considered the Princesses’ immediate apprentice, which would ordinarily mean that Celestia was training her for her position. If Twilight wasn’t being trained specifically to be a princess, then there would be no reason that some other powerful unicorn couldn’t have trained her. However, Princess Celestia specifically chose to train Twilight herself so that she could guide her in this direction.

Twilight Sparkle’s course in life was destined to lead up to her becoming a princess. Her aspiration happened to align with the qualification of princesshood. Everything that she is, is what it means to be the princess of Equestria. The title is less a definitive change, so much as it is an affirmation. It’s like how, after writing for ten years, when you publish your first book, everyone comes to know you as a WRITER. New doors are opened. Your life changes forever. You feel like the luckiest person in the world.

Being a princess and being an alicorn seem to come hand in hand, possibly because both are the result of reaching this state of power. Therefore, Twilight Sparkle became Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle.

I understand that some people may disagree with my reading of what Twilicorn is, and others may agree completely with what Twilicorn is, and still dislike the idea on a conceptual level, or in the way it’s presented. And those people are entitled to their opinion. It’s an opinion that I don’t agree with, and one that I don’t really understand. It’s definitely one that I don’t want to argue with. I’ve made my case, and my point, and I don’t find the other visions of the character terribly interesting.

Why? Maybe it’s because I thoroughly enjoyed Magical Mystery Cure. I have no problems with the concept or the execution, and in fact, I am ENAMORED with both of those things. Maybe it’s because I relate to Twilicorn, as someone who’s just recently found my wings, so to speak. I know exactly what it’s like, to be working single-mindedly with the goal of bettering myself, and then to suddenly gain a massive amount of power in an avenue that I never saw coming. It literally just happened to me.

tl:dr: I’m a fucking alicorn princess.

26 thoughts on “Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle

  1. “channeled through Twilight.” so if it only channeled through her how is she the most powerful. she need 5 other ponys to help her

  2. “tl;dr: I’m a fucking alicorn princess” Single fist roll WHOOOAAAAA

    I’m not sure that Star Swirl the Bearded was trained by Celestia. In fact, I think it could have been the other way around, with him articulating the situation and her reading/seeing it—and is the source through which she develops her approach and goals.

    Consider “Hearth’s Warming Eve,” which establishes the pre-Equestria state of affairs. On, one hand, as I’ve said before, it’s a play. Automatically, viewers and readers of plays know you’re not supposed to take historical plays at face value. Shakespeare, for example. No matter how accurate, they’re stylized to optimize literary, thematic, or political points. One constantly-discussed issue is the flag, which I have zero contextual issue with seeing as a (subconscious or conscious) retconning of Equestria’s history. In other words, a deconstructive, hinting “Sponsored by Equestria’s Royal House” label. This exactly is what rulers did for millennia. On the other hand, it really does reasonably suggest that there was a gap between the founding of Equestria’s rule and Discord’s rise—stylized history aside.

    I’m also not certain of the details of the spell, or what they did to him. Sticking to what we know, Celestia was either unborn or not yet an alicorn in Star Swirl’s time. If she was an alicorn, the plot would not have made sense. Could Celestia and Luna have become an alicorn in the events after Discord’s exile, and Star Swirl been intrigued by the phenomenon? Could be like the stereotypical superhero backstory: an experiment that can’t be replicated. Creating/attempting the spell might have killed him, removed him from the material plane, or given him a merely not-quite-godly enhancements. He may have been capable of time travel, or of creating homunculi successors. He was likely capable of age spells.

    What you describe regarding Twilight is akin to what happened to Madoka according to the oft-made claim of Buddhist theological links to the story. She became enlightened: not a Buddha, but more like a bodhisattva, someone who ascends to enlightenment via wish and will, or who glances back at suffering mankind in the natural process, and halts. Main difference being that Twilight didn’t wish the change.

    The huge question is, wouldn’t this mean a change of Twilight’s personality? Metaphysically, I mean. Her thinking would be balanced, and she wouldn’t be the flawed person she used to be. Wait, that isn’t my nuance, quite. It’s the question of what changed, when, and for how long. Not needing to learn more about friendship or whatever would really only amount to having a healthy understanding of it—which still means forgetting about it and misapplying it a fuckton of times, hypothetically. We know that alicorns aren’t perfect. Luna’s got issues. Celestia’s a glutton. Cadance gets nervous. So what exactly the fuck happened? I’m confused. Besides, I’ve read philosophy on the topic and I still don’t get what the hell friendship is.

    More importantly, doesn’t this all suggest some kind of natural aristocracy? Isn’t that counterintuitive, considering the writers’ goals? I for one don’t think it’s a big deal to believe in it, in the real world—but it isn’t something that people like hearing. Wouldn’t we be saying a little more than just, “Oh, everyone’s got a job, and it’s everyone’s job to fill his or her role?” I mean, there would have to be some knowledge of teleological endpoints (as in, “apple seeds become apple trees”). Of magical “potential.” For which one might cue all the destiny and cutie mark talk. PSSHH SHIT NICE SAVE And why aren’t there more alicorns? ARE there more alicorns around the world? Do they all ascend the same sort of way? Wouldn’t this be lead to international and spiritual-religious tension (elevating one culture or paradigm above others)? FUCK THIS IS SO WEIRD


      Yep, that’s where I’m willing to leave this for now. I’ll admit I stretched my Starswirl statements into Headcanon territory (and didn’t even realize it until after I’d written the thing lol), but well this is ultimately “how I see APTS” more than “what it is.”

  3. In other words, as a badass Merlin, Star Swirl’s spell might just have been a discarded attempt in his fun or goals: seeing all the crazy stuff someone can do with magic. Shoot, if I could time travel and manipulate stuff, I’d have a blast screwing around. Eff virtue and noblesse oblige, know what I mean? O wait u r alcrn prncess

  4. “However, we know that Princess Celestia at one point tried to train a male unicorn to become the new ruler of Equestria, in the form of Starswirl the Bearded.”

    We know that? How do we know that? Actually, since you bring it up, let’s think about this. Starswirl was around for the founding, before Celestia’s rule. As revealed in Hearth’s Warming Eve. In fact, it was ‘long before’ Celestia’s rule. I’m willing to bet Starswirl was actually long dead by the time Celestia showed up.

    “Princess Cadence… was the vessel for the power that would banish King Sombra.”

    I must have missed that episode. We talking the Crystal Heart? Because I didn’t see how Cadance was ‘the vessel’ for it. Plus, Sombra died.

    Also, I don’t see how this was inevitable. Just because she was Celestia’s student does not mean she was destined to become a ruler. In fact, considering Celesta is apparently immortal, I found it very unlikely, since Twilight was never going to replace her. I thought she’d become a brilliant innovator in magical sciences. How her established skill-set fits with being a ruler is a mystery to me.

    But what bugged me about the episode was this: “New magic.”

    Writing a spell caused this? Well, then, assuming their society advances at all, this should happen a lot more often. But it doesn’t. There are only four Princesses.

    Also, Rarity created that gem-finding spell, didn’t she? So why isn’t she a princess?

    Perhaps you can explain it.

    • To quote:

      “However, we know that Princess Celestia at one point tried to train a male unicorn to become the new ruler of Equestria, in the form of Starswirl the Bearded.”

      We know that? How do we know that? Actually, since you bring it up, let’s think about this. Starswirl was around for the founding, before Celestia’s rule. As revealed in Hearth’s Warming Eve. In fact, it was ‘long before’ Celestia’s rule. I’m willing to bet Starswirl was actually long dead by the time Celestia showed up.

      End quote

      I agree with you regarding Celestia training Starswirl, in that it probably didn’t happen. I don’t however think that he was long dead by the time Celestia showed up, since Luna knew the accuracy of his apparel (“Luna Eclipsed”), and Celestia herself seemed to be aware of his interpersonal failings (“Magical Mystery Cure”).

      Before I continue, I must add that I don’t consider anything outside the show’s narrative as canon. I don’t really care what Lauren, or Meghan, or anyone whom has worked on the show for that matter, have to say regarding things not stated or implied within the show’s narrative. Why? I shouldn’t have to go to the internet, or twitter to find out what exactly they think an “alicorn” (for example) is.

      Ironically you go on to state something else that hasn’t been stated or implied within the show: “… In fact, considering Celesta is apparently immortal, I found it very unlikely, since Twilight was never going to replace her.” I don’t remember any part of the show which said that this was the case, or at least implied it. As far as we know, Celestia only goes back to the time of Starswirl (or whatever you’re supposed to call the pre-Equestrian epoch).

      As for what I personally think: Celestia and Luna were students of Starswirl (that would explain how they know of his apparel and personal deficiencies) that through an experiment, became alicorns (that would explain why, as far as we have seen, there are no pre-Equestria alicorns). That’s how I would extrapolate how alicorns came to be, based on what we have been told (by the narrative) and what we have seen.

      Still, I’d like the show to answer the following question:

      What exactly *is* an “alicorn”?

      • No, it’s possible that she’s not immortal. But she is over a thousand years old. She’s at least ageless or functionally immortal. Actually, I always assumed she was like The Man From Earth. Great film by the way.

        Now, it is possible that she’s gonna die of old age very soon, but I find that highly unlikely. Unless it’s stated on the show, I’m gonna assume that’s not the case. But even if it is, choosing Twilight for the position, considering how mentally unstable she is, is probably not the best idea.

        I’m hoping an alicorn is just a regular pony with a special spell cast on them. I hope we don’t find any alicorns who were born alicorns, because then we’d have to consider them their own race. And in that case, the implications are painful.

  5. Personally I think you put too much head-canon into this. If I had your job, I would try to look at both sides of the argument and keep it fair and balanced and then present my feelings toward Twilicorn at the end. All I know is that episode gave me depression and I’ve started several groups dedicated to convincing Hasbro to change their mind (or at the very least, give us something of equal or greater value in return). But I will respect your opinion so long as you respect mine.

    • The only reason I can see for depression over this is that you are severely jealous of people that accomplish their goals and feel you never will. That’s all this Alicorn Princess thing is, the accomplishment of a goal. It’s basically just like Digibrony described, no headcanon required. He may have used a lot of headcanon in his description…which is unfortunate if the goal was to try and convince anypony. But it works out the way he says regardless.

      As for being called a “Writer” or “Author” being on the level of godhood…well…umm…yeah, no.

      • Did you even bother to read my stuff? I know it probably isn’t up to par with something like “Past Sins”, but it seems like you are criticizing my work without bothering to read it. Plus I don’t recall Twilight mentioning that one of her goals was to be a princess.

    • Wait, since when trying to pressure Hasbro to go back on Twilicorn is “respecting other people opinions”? And what exactly would be “of equal value” on this matter?

      Mind you, I am 100% behind Twilicorn, and I have yet to see a single valid anti-Twilicorn argument that do not rely on some strange Head-cannon or misinterpretation of the episode (the whole “it was forced on her” thing).

      • If you haven’t seen ‘valid’ arguments disagreeing with Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle (APTS), then I have to assume you haven’t looked for them or you have simply discounted the strongly-held feelings of people who hold a different view.

        I have mixed feelings about writing this, because once I dug in I wrote more than I intended. On the one hand, I fear that a short post would simply be dismissed as ‘typical anti-Twi whining.’ On the other, I expect that an extended post will be met with a ‘Whoa whoa woah, you’re WAAAY to into this, bud.’ I’m still going to post the long one, because I have the feeling that few on the other side of the argument have ever said “Okay, I can see why you feel the way you do.” I understand why people who like APTS like her- the original post is a very good, very cogent explanation. What I’ve repeatedly seen, however, is that the other side gets dismissed out of hand.

        So here are a couple reasons that I think are ‘valid’, at least in the eyes of an adult fan. Please, keep in mind that I’m writing this from the perspective of an ADULT FAN, not the intended audience. I am fully cognizant of the success of the show in giving girls the intended message, and I do think that’s a good thing- as one of the goals of the creator and the staff, it’s great that they’ve successfully achieved that goal.

        However, I am not part of the target audience, and what attracted me to the show was the wonderful characters, the great dynamic between the main characters, and the lighthearted, friendly world they inhabited. Changing any of that feels, to me, like it will take away from what has made this show a bright spot in my life- and it most certainly is. I’ve met a bunch of great people and tried to change my attitude towards daily life because of FiM. My fervent hope is that, despite whatever changes there are, the next season is just as good as the previous ones- I’m not a doom and gloom sort who says “Game over, man, game over.” I just want the show I came to love CONTINUE to be the show I came to love, not something different.

        And I am not going to pretend that there’s a point to these arguments in terms of CHANGING anything. I know the next season is well into development, and has been written for months (or longer). I am presenting them because I think, for a lot of older fans, these were valid concerns about the direction of the show, and I don’t like seeing them dismissed as the grumblings of ungrateful malcontents. Many people who like the change have a lot invested in the show, and it’s no different for people who don’t like it- they care deeply about the show and characters, and that drives their feelings over APTS. Frankly, I have come to detest this issue, because there is an undercurrent of disdain and mockery towards people who have not expressed wholehearted support of Twilight’s apotheosis. In a fandom based around a show whose central tenets are friendship, harmony, kindness, generosity, loyalty, and honesty, it’s especially galling.

        One, being elevated to a demi-god (for lack of a better word) status will HAVE TO change Twilight’s character. Your abilities, duties, responsibilities, and profession all shape your character, and hers are definitely changing. You don’t have a personal growth event that big and NOT change in some way. On the other hand, if her character is kept the same, then from an adult fan standpoint, the character will be out of place or ring false, and I fear that dissonance will make the show less enjoyable.

        Two, if APTS is a Princess, with “new challenges,” then new responsibilities will accompany them, and it’s not unreasonable to assume that they would take her away from Ponyville, just as the Crystal Empire took Cadance away from Canterlot. Her leaving would impact the friendship dynamic between the main characters. If she is kept there as an Alicorn Princess, it will be odd and stretch credibility to simply keep her in place in Ponyville with her friends. Look at how the other Alicorns are treated by other Ponies, even the main characters; how do you square that with her being a normal citizen or a friend of the Ponies in Ponyville? It may not be a problem for the target audience, but again, for adult fans, there will be a level of dissonance and incredulity that will take away from the show.

        There are others, but I’m going to stop there because this is getting ridiculously long. To date, I have not seen any response to these issues beyond “Don’t worry, you can trust the writers.” but these are issues that go beyond just scriptwriting- they are questions about the basic nature of characters and our conception of relationships in Equestria. It may be that they end up getting dealt with by way of “Ponies won’t care that Twilight is different but acts exactly the same,” but then that makes it harder to relate to her and the other characters if they ignore something so big. Plenty of other cartoon characters have exhibited a similar indifference to change, but they tend to be flat and uninteresting because of it. The characters in FiM have been so well-rounded that it’s hard to concieve of them doing the same thing.

        If anyone wishes to mock me for being ‘way too into’ this, go ahead, but I’ve written a lot because I want to make a strong, logical argument and show WHY I think what I think, rather than just making short, facile assertions that don’t do anything. I’ve seen too many people dismiss concerns like these out of hand with “oh, you just need to accept it” or something similar, and I want it to be understood that many people who don’t like the change in Twilight have a logical thought process behind their opinions. It doesn’t mean we have no respect for the show staff, and it doesn’t mean we are not ‘true’ fans- it means we have opinions that we believe are correct, and no one has presented a rational argument that is strong enough to change our views. Personally, I’ve loved this show precisely because the staff has paid so much attention to making it full of interesting, likeable, and RELATABLE characters.

        This, perhaps, is the basis of my personal disappointment in Twillight’s apotheosis: It takes a character who felt like a nerd, a sort of outsider, and elevates her to inner-circle status. Yes, she has achieved a tremendous feat, but if it is such an achievement, it’s going to change her fundamental nature. I was a dork in high school and even college, so I could identify with Unicorn Twilight Sparkle; the fame and popularity that will come with APTS’s new status is something that I cannot. And if APTS is NOT treated like the other Alicorns, then that’s going to be weird and out-of-place as well.

        I can also be honest and say that I liked the dynamic and relationships that existed in the show, and don’t want to see them changed- they are the reason I came to love the show, and by my nature I am suspicious of change. If that makes me worthy of derision in anyone’s eyes, so be it.

        And again, just to avoid any misunderstanding, this is the viewpoint of someone who is well outside the intended audience, for whom it is a wonderful bonus that the show was written in a way that it was engaging and the characters were compelling. I know that I’m not the primary target, and that there was a strong lesson that was meant to be conveyed through the Coronation, and that it was well-received by the intended audience. The show is what it is, but in a fandom that has created SO MUCH and done so much differently from what the staff has done, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to respect that some people will disagree with the direction at some point or another, and certainly not unreasonable to debate with them in a civil and respectful manner.

        To Meghan McCarthy, MA Larson, and every other person on the creative team behind MLP:FiM, I want to say thank you very, VERY much for creating such a wonderful show, and while I might disagree with the creative decisions behind this issue, I’m still a huge fan of all the work you’ve done, and I look forward to seeing what you will do with the new season. You’ve created something special, and I DO trust that you’ll keep producing great shows- you’ve shown us, many times, over three seasons that you all care very much for the characters as well as the fans. Thank you.

        • Except that you didn’t present very many logical arguments in all that long body. In fact you didn’t even present AN argument. All you presented was a single assertion: APTS must change the group dynamic between the characters or it risks destroying the plausibility of their interactions and damages our connections with them.

          That is not an argument against APTS outright. You haven’t described why that is BAD, only that it IS a thing. You claim that it makes Twilight less relateable TO YOU, as you have never had accolades heaped upon you as she has. But I argue that there are many aspects of these characters which you cannot relate to. This does not make any of them any worse for being different.

          Change and progression are what separate a show like this from a show like…oh, The Simpsons, with its eternally youthful, unchanging cast for over 30 seasons and counting. Arguing against change of any kind in a show (which is essentially what you are doing) is a whole other kettle of fish. If you would like to try arguing for why CHANGE is a bad thing (not APTS, which is merely a symptom of what you are really railing against) then I’m happy to read further.

          • You’re right, I spent a lot of words being defensive. I wanted to point out that I’m not a screaming fool who is typing in all caps, because sometimes I get the distinct impression that everyone who does not like APTS is painted with that brush. I’d prefer to be given some credence as a reasonable person who can say to others, “I see what you are saying, and I disagree for these reasons,” because that’s how I want them to treat me.

            I was light on specifics because so much of this is based on personal interpretation, preference, and individual headcanon. There are no scientific facts or absolutes to base any ‘argument’ on. I try to empathize with and understand the reasoning of people I disagree with, but when it comes to this issue I get the feeling that very few who support APTS spend much effort giving that courtesy to those who don’t support it.

            In that case, I should have been more precise and said that I was tired of having my REASONS discounted. Part of why I wrote so much is I wanted to make it clear that it IS a matter of personal preference, which is why I mentioned the lack of relatablity and detrimental effect on plausibilty: Those are subjective, so it’s nearly impossible to construct a logical argument for them. Instead, they need to be advocated for persuasively, and I really think that’s a lost cause.

            Honestly, I can’t definitively say APTS will be GOOD or BAD for the show- I know it makes the character less appealing to me, but I don’t discount the possibility that the show can still be good. I sincerely hope it is, and that the change allows it to improve. I even see and agree with the reason WHY she was apotheosized here- it was not known if the show would continue, and that was the planned end point.

            I will not shout that it’s a disaster or ruins the show or “OMG IM LEAVING” because I don’t feel it’s my place to say so, since the show isn’t being made for ME or other people in my demographic. That, and I like the show and the characters too much to cast them aside, even if I don’t like some creative decisions. Frankly, I’m grateful just to have another season, and fervently hope to see at least one more beyond that, and I’m lookig forward to whatever the show staff will come up with.

            I disagree. I said that beforehand, one concern is that it would force a change in her character and duties. Since I like how the group interacts, from my standpoint this change would be bad. If you don’t mind a change in the group dynamic, then you could use the exact same thing as an argument that it is good. There is no absolute here.

            Also, my reason for finding APTS’s character less relateable was not that I have never “had accolades heaped on me,” it was that it moves her closer to the center of popularity and makes her less of an outsider, which is one of the things that was appealing about her character. (Before you say, “Why do you assume this?” I point at Celestia’s duty at the GGG. When you’re a leader, you have to do such things. And in Equestria, a Princess is part of the leadership.) I never mentioned or implied that Twilight ACHIEVING was bad- just that I didn’t like the results I see stemming from her apotheosis, results that are a natural progression in MY INTERPRETATION of how the relationships between the main characters work.

            There’s the real problem, isn’t it? A lot of the people who disagree with APTS do so because they see the downsides in terms of how she relates to her friends and others, while people who LIKE it see the potential for her to face different challenges, unspecified though they may be, and just assume that there will be no change in the relationships. I don’t see any justification for that belief, but I can’t ignore that it’s what a lot of people believe. And you know what, it might e the way they write it out, and it might work, and I might even come to like it- I can say that honestly. But at the same time, I am change-resistant, and I mistrust change. I’ve seen a lot of change in my life that did not make things better (or much worse, but harder for a time), so that colors my perception.

            The problem is, to accept that either of the reasons I presented as being persuasive, you have to accept or grant validity to the viewpoint on whch they are based. For an older fan who has delved into some good fanfiction, it’s easy to imagine there is a lot of depth to the relationships between the characters. When you view them as being more like people, with complex relationships, it’s easier to believe that there will be issues that arise from Twilight’s apotheosis.

            And I did not argue “against change of any kind in a show (which is essentially what you are doing).” Nowhere, at any time, did i say “change” was bad. I presented reasons for disagreeing with ONE particular change, and even then I allowed that I later understood the reasons for it. Please, don’t put words in my mouth. If I opposed all change of any sort, I would be railing against the fact that Twilight has learned ANYTHING, or that there’s a closer relationship between Dash and Scootaloo, or that the Crystal Empire came back, and I wouldn’t want to see the CMC get their marks, or Mac and Cherilee be an item.

            Ignoring the state of knowledge when most people’s opposition or support for APTS crystallized, if the show needed to see some change, consider this: One valid alternative would have been to spend an arc on an adventure somewhere else, away from Ponyville, say in the Crystal Empire or… anywhere. A quest. THAT would have been a change, it would have shaken up the status quo without drastically altering any of the characters for what seems like (keep in mind the above assumptions!) arbitrary reasons. Lots of people would have loved this.

            But the problem is, when most people learned about APTS, very, very few were thinking about when the writing and planning had been done- most people assumed this was a finale for a middle season, not a SERIES finale. For those opposed, it made very little sense to do this in the middle of the show’s run, and that’s what most people saw it as when their opinions formed.

            To make a long post short, I will agree with you that APTS is something that IS. When news of it came out, what you saw as a potentially positive effect, change, I saw as a potentially negative effect, and I thought it was illogical and unneccessary. I extended the potential effects into the realm of supposition and my perception of the show dynamic, and didn’t like what I felt it would imply. With further knowledge, I understand and agree with the reasons why it was done, but I still am not a fan of it. However, it’s in the books and exists, so all I can do is hope that I like how the next season turns out, thank Jayson Theissen, James Wooten, Meghan McCarthy, and everyone else for all the great work they’ve done so far, and tell them I hope the next season turns out as great as the previous three.

            All I really want is for people to have the courtesy to say “Okay, I can see why you hold the opinions you do, even though mine are different.” That’s been missing in a lot of the discourse, and things like ” I have yet to see a single valid anti-Twilicorn argument that do not rely on some strange Head-cannon or misinterpretation of the episode” are part of that.

            That, in particular, was what I took exception to- I’ve never even thought of it being a ‘forced’ situation, and I don’t use “some strange headcanon.” I see the main characters as being like humans- “humans in the body of a horse,” I think Lauren Faust described them as, and I assume they’ll have the same complex set of emotions, worries, and fears that humans do, and that I can imagine what responses they might have to a situation. I don’t like being painted with a broad brush and treated like a crank just because I disagree with someone.

  6. Did you read that book about Twilight and Cadance? I have posted a review of it. I was wondering what you thought about the Alicorn facts presented in that book.

    • I haven’t, actually, so my comment above is uninformed by that book. I’ll gladly add my thoughts once I get a chance to look through it. I would say, though, that I think what I said above wouldn’t really change- it’s not so much about what we know NOW as the concerns people had and how they were treated. Though the book predates the revelation about Twilight’s apotheosis, it wasn’t released yet.

      But I’m looking forward to reading it, that’s for sure- I have heard there’s some interesting info concerning Cadance that dealt with one or two other points I had originally had- namely, WHO can become an alicorn.

  7. I think that if Twilight becomes a princess through friendship, then also her friends would become princesses too, since the Elements of Harmony can only be activated if the six elements are together. Totally agree with your theory, though.

    • I don’t think the elements of harmony are connected to Twilight and her friends anymore. Remember when Celestia said she was no longer connected to them? Perhaps the break happened when she became a princess.

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